Showing posts with label Religious Freedom. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Religious Freedom. Show all posts

Thursday, February 28, 2008

What's wrong with fundamentalist "Christianity"? This.

Here is an example of the ways the people who call themselves "Christians" sow divisiveness for no rational reason. From SF Gate:
(02-27) 15:08 PST SACRAMENTO, (AP) --

An evangelical chaplain who leads Bible studies for California lawmakers says God is disgusted with a rival fellowship group that includes people of all faiths.

"Although they are pleasant men in their personal demeanor, their group is more than disgusting to our Lord and Savior," Drollinger wrote on the Capitol Ministries' Web site.

The comments drew immediate fire from others in the capital, including the Republican lawmaker who sponsors Drollinger's Bible study group.

Drollinger said "progressive religious tolerance" is an offense against God and causes harm to its practitioners.

He said the other Bible study group was perpetrating a "deadly lie" by presenting Jesus as "a good moral teacher who loves everyone without distinction."
Drollinger believes that his unproven religious fantasies, of no better validity than those of Joseph Smith of the Mormons or Muhammad who established Islam, are sufficient reason to set men against each other. He'll not be happy until America is trapped in a set of religious civil wars like those bedeviling Iraq today.

Drollinger's behavior itself is totally immoral and is dangerous to others. He imagines that his personal beliefs are justification for shunning others, and if he were given government police powers, he would happily do worse in the name of his warped "God." He is quite unsuited to minister to elected politicians who are trying to make government work to improve society.

Thursday, December 06, 2007

Romney's "I'm one of you" speech to the Republican religious right extremists

Romney is running for President as a representative of God and religion, but he refuses to explain his religion because the Constitution forbids a religious test for those who hold office.

He is trying to have it both ways. A vote for him is a vote for God, but don't ask him about his minority religion which many consider a non-Christian cult.

From his speech:
Today, I wish to address a topic which I believe is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty. I will also offer perspectives on how my own faith would inform my Presidency, if I were elected.

"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders, for they, when our nation faced its greatest peril, sought the blessings of the Creator. And further, they discovered the essential connection between the survival of a free land and the protection of religious freedom. In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people.'

"Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.
That's just a sample. That's running on the proposition that America should be led by someone who represents religion. Here is where he speaks directly to the evangelistic Republicans:
"As a young man, Lincoln described what he called America's 'political religion' – the commitment to defend the rule of law and the Constitution. When I place my hand on the Bible and take the oath of office, that oath becomes my highest promise to God. If I am fortunate to become your President, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A President must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States.

"There are some for whom these commitments are not enough. They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs. [Snip]

"There are some who would have a presidential candidate describe and explain his church's distinctive doctrines. To do so would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution. No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes President he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths.

"I believe that every faith I have encountered draws its adherents closer to God. And in every faith I have come to know, there are features I wish were in my own: I love the profound ceremony of the Catholic Mass, the approachability of God in the prayers of the Evangelicals, the tenderness of spirit among the Pentecostals, the confident independence of the Lutherans, the ancient traditions of the Jews, unchanged through the ages, and the commitment to frequent prayer of the Muslims. As I travel across the country and see our towns and cities, I am always moved by the many houses of worship with their steeples, all pointing to heaven, reminding us of the source of life's blessings.
He is stating how very important religion is to America. Then he shows exactly what he is promising the evangelical Republicans - religious, yes, but secular, no.
"We separate church and state affairs in this country, and for good reason. No religion should dictate to the state nor should the state interfere with the free practice of religion. But in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America – the religion of secularism. They are wrong.

"The founders proscribed the establishment of a state religion, but they did not countenance the elimination of religion from the public square. We are a nation 'Under God' and in God, we do indeed trust.

"We should acknowledge the Creator as did the Founders – in ceremony and word. He should remain on our currency, in our pledge, in the teaching of our history, and during the holiday season, nativity scenes and menorahs should be welcome in our public places. Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith upon which our constitution rests. I will take care to separate the affairs of government from any religion, but I will not separate us from 'the God who gave us liberty.'
So he'll give religious people their due, but for those who do not profess a Christian faith, he withdraws government. He is saying that America has only a religious - and Christian religious at that - history and no one else will be consider worthy.

That's exactly what the evangelical Republicans want to hear. He offers Americans freedom for religions, but not freedom from religion. He just doesn't want to be penalized by the Christians for belonging to a non-Christian cult. He makes it clear - he's one of them!

The audience he is speaking to should remember, though, that he was pro-abortion before he became anti-abortion. Mitt has a long history of saying whatever his audience wants to hear, even when it conflicts with what he told previous audiences. But I'm sure that when he has watched all the lies Bush has told in the last eight years, Mitt feels that he is fully qualified to carry on that tradition.


Addendum 10:20 PM CST
Digby got it right.
The religious right has managed to make it an unspoken test that a president must be not only a person who claims an approved religion, but that they are personally deeply religious. (And Democratic advisors are working overtime to get their candidates to join them, unfortunately.) [Snip]

Kennedy successfully tempered a long standing anti-catholic bias held by a rather large number
[in his 1960 speech that put to rest the fear many had that electing him would place the Pope in charge of American policy.]in this country by appealing to the fundamental American belief in a separation of church and state and by reassuring them that he would make decisions based on what his conscience tells him is in the national interest "and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates." Romney will be trying to temper an anti-Mormon bias among a sub-set of the Religious Right by assuring them (through coded conservative Christian language) that he is just as biased against other religions and non-believers as they are and will definitely bow to outside pressures or dictates --- from them.
Kennedy's speech was given 60 days before the general election and was designed to put to rest the fears of the general election voters. Romney was speaking solely the Republican radical evangelist reich-wingers because Huckabee has been making major gains among the likely Republican primary voters who don't want to vote for a Mormon. Romney's problem is that the rest of us heard him tell the Republican evangelists that he was their puppet.

If Romney gets the Republican nomination he will spend the entire campaign trying to dig out from under the promise he just made to the radical Republican religious bigots (also known as the Social Republicans.) Mitt might get the nomination, though, since the entire field of candidates for the Republican nomination seems to have fractured the Republican party to an extent that is hard to believe.

Monday, March 12, 2007

The U.S Constitution is specifically secular - see Poputonian

Poputonian writes regularly on Digby's blog "Hullabaloo." He frequently discusses American history in the late 18th century with specific focus on Boston and people there such as Samuel Adams. This time he is describing the logic used by the founders when they wrote the U.S. Constitution, and what they meant when they created a secular document. Here is what he says:
The Constitution is a secularist document because of what it says and what it does not say. The first of the explicit secularist provisions is article 6, section 3, which states that federal elective and appointed officials "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." No religious test. This provision, much less familiar to the public today than the First Amendment, was especially meaningful and especially sweeping in view of the fact that the necessity of religious tests and religious oaths for officeholders had been taken for granted by nearly all the governments of the American states (not to mention those of the rest of the world) at the time the Constitution was written. The addition of the affirmation is significant, because it meant that the framers did not intend to compel officeholders to take a religious oath on the Bible. The intent could not have been clearer to those who wanted only religious men -- specifically, Protestant believers -- to hold office. As a North Carolina minister put it during his state's debate on ratification of the Constitution, the abolition of religious tests for officeholders amounted to "an invitation for Jews and pagans of every kind to come among us."
Notice that the statement in article 6, section 3 specifically allows Muslim Rep. Ellison to use any document he wishes to swear in as a Congressman, or no document at all (if he "affirms" rather than "swears."

But more significantly, the Constitution had to be secular because of the crazy patchwork of religions which made up the states that the 13 colonies had become. Every choice of a state religion would have caused great strife all over the nation. There was no compromise that could have satisfied most of the population.